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article imageOpinion: For God’s Sake Microsoft, Get Real

Posted Jun 30, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh) in Technology | 16 comments | 601 views
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Jun 30, 2008 - Bye Bye, Windows XP
XP, no XP, XP, no XP. Classic PR triumph, “We’re about to hit you with another expensive system, right in the middle of a recession.” Not to forget that great standby, “We don’t give a damn what our customers think.” Annoying, yes. Forgivable?
Microsoft seems to be under some compulsion to release new operating systems whether anyone likes it or not. Many don’t. From the pretty trustworthy Windows 98 came:

Windows 2000
Windows ME
Windows NT

Followed by XP. Followed by Vista. That’s five major systems in 10 years. Add Windows 7. Given that the three above were turkeys, and Vista a pheasant with delusions of necessity, not a great package, is it?

Apple, somehow, have beetled on with more or less the same thing, upgraded.

Meaning Apple customers haven’t had to shell out for these things on a regular basis.

Meaning they’ve saved thousands of dollars by now, for no reason other than Microsoft’s apparent inability to do the same.

That’s not including Windows standalone stuff. Whole suites, and they’re not cheap, and never have been.

Hence the phrase, “You want applications with that?”

Then, strangely, there’s this odd need to have something to put the Windows systems in, called computers, in case Microsoft had lost track of that odd bit of information.

Then there’s servicing. Reincarnation doesn’t yet seem to be part of most operating systems. Odd omission, really, because apparently users bank balances can reincarnate themselves every time Microsoft releases something.

Then there’s the requirement, cheesy widescreen TV-like, for 64MB video cards, etc, etc.

Anything nobody has ever needed, hit the public with it.

Here’s a thought:

To hell with you.

Either come up with a working system which doesn’t need constant platform changes, or get out of Dodge.

You aren’t the only people on Earth able to make platforms. Binary code isn’t copyright.

Some people like having disposable incomes, and even like spending money on things other than useless, gimmicky, pointless, unnecessary, whims from some damn system designer.

If you’ve quite finished insulting loyal customers, millions of us, kindly get real, and do it now.

If you know what the term “what the market will bear” means, think about your next hoedown on our toes.

It might be your last.
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  • avatar Posted Jun 30, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #1
    I have Windows XP...and am quite happy with it. I don't see the need or the point of fixing what's not broke.
  • avatar Posted Jun 30, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #2
    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    I have Windows XP...and am quite happy with it. I don't see the need or the point of fixing what's not broke.


    So have I, and couldn't agree more. The only things going broke are Windows users.
  • avatar Posted Jun 30, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #3
    @ Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    So have I, and couldn't agree more. The only things going broke are Windows users.


    Amend that to Windows users are going broke keeping up with all the new OS!
  • avatar Posted Jun 30, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #4
    @ Debra Myers (skyangel)
    Amend that to Windows users are going broke keeping up with all the new OS!


    I suggest we form a posse...
  • avatar Posted Jun 30, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #5
    @ Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    I suggest we form a posse...


    LOL! "Save yourselves from the EVIL Windows OS that they can't leave alone, or get right!" LOLOL!
  • skeptikool Posted Jun 30, 2008 by  skeptikool
    #6
    Could it possibly survive a sustained Mac attack?
  • Seymour Goldfarb Posted Jun 30, 2008 by  Seymour Goldfarb
    #7
    NT did not come from Windows 98.

    Windows 98 came from 95, and that has its roots in all the other previous DOS based operating systems.

    NT is NT and is the roots for 2000 (NT5) and XP (NT5.1)
  • avatar Posted Jun 30, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #8
    @ Seymour Goldfarb
    NT did not come from Windows 98.

    Windows 98 came from 95, and that has its roots in all the other previous DOS based operating systems.

    NT is NT and is the roots for 2000 (NT5) and XP (NT5.1)


    Thanks for the info. That was more about the timing and incidence of OS than anything. I didn't want to go back beyond 98 because of the 10 year period, from the point of view of consumer outlays.
  • avatar Posted Jun 30, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #9
    @ skeptikool
    Could it possibly survive a sustained Mac attack?


    Not at this rate.
  • Will Posted Jun 30, 2008 by  Will
    #10
    Of all the "bash Vista even though I've never used it before" this one is absolutely the worst.

    Calling Windows NT and 2000 a turkey is complete and utter nonsense, both NT and 2000 were used extenstivly by businesses.

    The Microsoft OS upgrades from Windows 98 were for the home users were:
    ME(not really and upgrade) - Windows XP Home/Media Center - Vista Premieum

    while for business users they were:
    NT(really a contemporary of Windows 95 and 98) - 2000 - XP Pro - Vista Business

    and contrasting Apple
    System 8 - Mac OS 9 -10.0/10.1 - 10.2 - 10.3 - 10.4 - 10.5
  • avatar Posted Jun 30, 2008 by  RCB2875
    #11
    I really have no Idea what this article is about. I have had Vista 32 bit since release and haven't had the slightest trouble. It's by far the easiest OS to work with. And you don't need an outrageous system to run it.. just something that can't be considered coming from the stone ages of PC's.

    Min requirements:
    800 MHz processor and 512 MB of system memory

    20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space

    Support for Super VGA graphics

    CD-ROM drive
  • avatar Posted Jul 1, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #12
    @ Will
    Of all the "bash Vista even though I've never used it before" this one is absolutely the worst.

    Calling Windows NT and 2000 a turkey is complete and utter nonsense, both NT and 2000 were used extenstivly by businesses.

    The Microsoft OS upgrades from Windows 98 were for the home users were:
    ME(not really and upgrade) - Windows XP Home/Media Center - Vista Premieum

    while for business users they were:
    NT(really a contemporary of Windows 95 and 98) - 2000 - XP Pro - Vista Business

    and contrasting Apple
    System 8 - Mac OS 9 -10.0/10.1 - 10.2 - 10.3 - 10.4 - 10.5


    It's not about Vista, it's about Microsoft's economics for users. This is what a monopoly can do to a market.

    I don't give a damn about the specifics of Vista, or whether it can cure acne.

    I want to know why an interim system was necessary, and why so many obligations for purchases are put on consumers..

    A calculator can do most of this stuff, it doesn't require a whole new OS every couple of years, and it sells short existing product through lack of services and new hardware requirements. The extra systems are another case of package without real product.
  • avatar Posted Jul 1, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #13
    @ RCB2875
    I really have no Idea what this article is about. I have had Vista 32 bit since release and haven't had the slightest trouble. It's by far the easiest OS to work with. And you don't need an outrageous system to run it.. just something that can't be considered coming from the stone ages of PC's.

    Min requirements:
    800 MHz processor and 512 MB of system memory

    20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space

    Support for Super VGA graphics

    CD-ROM drive


    See above regarding article content.
  • avatar Posted Jul 1, 2008 by  RCB2875
    #14
    @ Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    See above regarding article content.

    What I meant was no one is twisting any one's arm to buy the new OS. XP still runs great and will for quite a while. I haven't seen any programs that required you to have Vista to run them so why would this be any different?
    It's just another choice.
  • avatar Posted Jul 2, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #15
    @ RCB2875
    What I meant was no one is twisting any one's arm to buy the new OS. XP still runs great and will for quite a while. I haven't seen any programs that required you to have Vista to run them so why would this be any different?
    It's just another choice.


    The main reason for the spleen in this article is because I'm a dedicated Windows user. I've been using it since Win95, have never had any reason to even consider buying a competitor's product. I'm perfectly happy with XP, too. Does everything well, no problems worthy of the name.

    It's the marketing methods that have me concerned. Tacking on system and hardware requirements in other technology has been creating a lot of catching up for users, and if applied to OS, a la Vista's strange set of needs and wants, could slug consumers pretty hard.

    I have now seen some programs which if not purely Vista based, are showing a demand for new hardware to run them. I bought two new Microsoft products which required hardware upgrades to run properly. I've got a P4 which will usually run anything, so this is an irritating addition.

    The consumer issues are based largely on what I consider "product splitting", putting what you need in various packages, and requiring you to buy all of them, while including things you'll never need. It's a cash cow, and a big one.

    I grew up in marketing, literally, and my distrust knows no bounds.

    I think Microsoft should go for baseline users with baseline operating systems, cover the bread and butter applications, then get fancy, if people want fancy. This is a bit like buying a Rolls Royce so you can use the cup holder.
  • chickenhawk Posted Jul 6, 2008 by  chickenhawk
    #16
    I had decided that I needed a new computer. Instead of buying a ready-built this time, I had one built for me and it cost less than the top-of-the-line computers on sale. Vista was out and that's the system I requested. Works fine. I suggest you quit your carping and use the system you have or buy Apple.

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