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Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana spoke out over the Supreme Court ruling that was issued yesterday, calling the ruling an "affront to the people of Louisiana". He took it a step further today and signed a Sex Offender Chemical Castration Bill.
After yesterday's Supreme Court decision saying that child rapists cannot receive the death penalty, Governor Bobby Jindal vowed to do whatever is possible to amend the state laws so that the death penalty would be the punishment for child rapists, and as of today he has signed into law the authorization to castrate convicted sex offenders.
There will be a choice between chemical castration and physical castration.
Chemical castration is where hormonal medication is used and it acts on the brain to inhibit hormones that stimulate the testicles to produce testosterone.
Physical castration, for men, is the removal or destruction of one or both testicles with chemicals or surgical procedures.
California was the first state to use chemical castration as a punishment for sex offenders and other states such as Florida, Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, and Montana have all experimented with chemical castration laws for sexual offenders.
According to the Jindal release which was reported by the conservative website, RedState:
SB 144 by Senators Nick Gautreaux, Amedee, Dorsey, Duplessis and Mount provides that on a first conviction of aggravated rape, forcible rape, second degree sexual battery, aggravated incest, molestation of a juvenile when the victim is under the age of 13, or an aggravated crime against nature, the court may sentence the offender to undergo chemical castration. On a second conviction of the above listed crimes, the court is required to sentence the offender to undergo chemical castration.
Jindal's intent is to send a clear and concise message about, to which his statement addresses by saying, "I want to send the message loud and clear – to the Supreme Court of the United States and beyond – make no mistake about it, if anyone wants to molest children and commit sexual assaults on kids they should not do so here in Louisiana. Here, we will do everything in our power to protect our children and we will not rest until justice is won and we have fully punished those who harm them.”
The Supreme Court ruling on the Kennedy vs Louisiana can be found here. (You can find the Syllabus, the Opinion itself and the dissenting opinions.)
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Good for him! Now maybe, and I stress "maybe", some of these other states will follow suit.
Good catch, Sue!
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@ Debra Myers (skyangel)
Good for him! Now maybe, and I stress "maybe", some of these other states will follow suit.
Good catch, Sue!
Thanks Debra. Jindal doesn't mess around it seems. -
Now this is more like it and something I can wholeheartedly agree with (as opposed to giving child rapists the death penalty ... obviously I am against that and gave my reasons in the other thread). This totally makes more sense to me, however, I would wonder about the choice of chemical castration and who administers the drugs, etc. I would hope that there is an iron-clad way of keeping track of these people and someone else actually administers the drugs.
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@ Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
Now this is more like it and something I can wholeheartedly agree with (as opposed to giving child rapists the death penalty ... obviously I am against that and gave my reasons in the other thread). This totally makes more sense to me, however, I would wonder about the choice of chemical castration and who administers the drugs, etc. I would hope that there is an iron-clad way of keeping track of these people and someone else actually administers the drugs.
I am sure we will be able to get more details as the plan goes forward. I will try to keep up with it and bring addition details as I they come out. -
Something certainly needs to be done to those who rape and molest children or anybody for that matter.
It has to be a horrible evil person that would take a baby or a child and rape them.
I would hope that this would work but still wonder if someone who commits this type of crime should even be out on the streets. They have a problem and I am not sure if it is just a sexual problem. It could be possible they could use other means to "rape" the child.
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
Something certainly needs to be done to those who rape and molest children or anybody for that matter.
It has to be a horrible evil person that would take a baby or a child and rape them.
I would hope that this would work but still wonder if someone who commits this type of crime should even be out on the streets. They have a problem and I am not sure if it is just a sexual problem. It could be possible they could use other means to "rape" the child.
i don't think they should be out on the streets either, neither it appears does Jindal because he still plans to amend the laws to include the death penalty, but this makes it abundantly clear that he is prepared to take drastic measures to prevent criminals of that type from coming to Louisiana to commit their crimes...especially a crime as heinous as raping a child. -
As a person with a "twisted" mindset, I'm starting to like Jindal even more.
I am kind of split with the death penalty on pedophiles, child rapists, child molesters, etc. Not for the "goody too shoes" reasons. The one half that supports death penalty feels that those people do need to be put to death.
The other half that is not so warm to the death penalty is because death is the easy way out. No matter now painful or painless the execution is, that person's gone. You can't kill the person again unless you practice necromancy. This half loves Jindal's idea of letting them choose between chemical castration or physical castration.
Honestly, I wished someone had come up with this idea long ago. I do remember in the past this one judge handed out this interesting sentence. This woman had killed her children. However, the judge gave her a choice. Of course she would have faced jail time. But, he gave her the choice of getting her tubes tied or facing jail time.
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@ Can Tran (TFactor)
As a person with a "twisted" mindset, I'm starting to like Jindal even more.
I am kind of split with the death penalty on pedophiles, child rapists, child molesters, etc. Not for the "goody too shoes" reasons. The one half that supports death penalty feels that those people do need to be put to death.
The other half that is not so warm to the death penalty is because death is the easy way out. No matter now painful or painless the execution is, that person's gone. You can't kill the person again unless you practice necromancy. This half loves Jindal's idea of letting them choose between chemical castration or physical castration.
Honestly, I wished someone had come up with this idea long ago. I do remember in the past this one judge handed out this interesting sentence. This woman had killed her children. However, the judge gave her a choice. Of course she would have faced jail time. But, he gave her the choice of getting her tubes tied or facing jail time.
Actually at least 6 states have tested this idea, with some still being applied today. I like the idea and I am liking Jindal more and more every day.
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I LIKE this guy :)
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just like the death penalty, this is completely unjustifiable. there is always the possibility that courts are wrong - it happens all the time. how exactly are we to 'make it up' to someone wrongly convicted of sexual assault, who has been castrated? how can people be so confident that they are someone they know is not going to be wrongfully convicted of sexual assault? if it wasn't so disturbing, it would be comical that people can be this short-sighted. even apart from the question of wrongful convictions, murderers and sex offenders need constraints, and help -- not torture and death. this is pure barbarism.
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@ cartwheel
just like the death penalty, this is completely unjustifiable. there is always the possibility that courts are wrong - it happens all the time. how exactly are we to 'make it up' to someone wrongly convicted of sexual assault, who has been castrated? how can people be so confident that they are someone they know is not going to be wrongfully convicted of sexual assault? if it wasn't so disturbing, it would be comical that people can be this short-sighted. even apart from the question of wrongful convictions, murderers and sex offenders need constraints, and help -- not torture and death. this is pure barbarism.
There are some cases where the evidence is overwhelming and others where people are caught in the act or their DNA is what convicts them. Also, it clearly states " On a second conviction of the above listed crimes, the court is required to sentence the offender to undergo chemical castration."
Second conviction!
Plenty of people accidentally get convicted once, but I would ask you to find me a case where someone was convicted TWICE and it was shown to be a mistake.
Bleeding hearts, I swear. How about the brutality of harming a child? How about the "barbarism" of raping a helpless child?
Give me a freaking break... child rapists should never see the light of day but if they have to be let out, then good for Jindal that he is willing to do everything in his power to make sure they cannot rape again. -
Child rapists and pedophiles aren't capable of reforming.
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@ Can Tran (TFactor)
Child rapists and pedophiles aren't capable of reforming.
Agreed. That sick craving of theirs doesn't go away. The best that can be done, so far, is to make sure to hamper their ability to act on it. Even that isn't guaranteed to stop the inherent violence that causes rape. -
@ Can Tran (TFactor)
Child rapists and pedophiles aren't capable of reforming.
Thank you, Can Tran! -
If I had this one skill, I'd use it on every pedophile I come across. -
People that are bleeding hearts for child rapist make me SICK!!!
The dirty evil b______ can rape a baby or child and tear her apart internally and someone is going to have pity on him.
Give me a break!!!!!
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
People that are bleeding hearts for child rapist make me SICK!!!
The dirty evil b______ can rape a baby or child and tear her apart internally and someone is going to have pity on him.
Give me a break!!!!!
You tell em Picasso. I have no sympathy for people that hurt children and too many of them use our laws to get away with doing it.
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@ Susan Duclos
You tell em Picasso. I have no sympathy for people that hurt children and too many of them use our laws to get away with doing it.
The more I see and hear of Jindal, the more I think we should take a good look at him for a higher office eventually.
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Watch this guy.
He appears to be following in the footsteps of a former Governor of Texas--making his reputation on the backs of and at the expense of square pegs...
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
People that are bleeding hearts for child rapist make me SICK!!!
The dirty evil b______ can rape a baby or child and tear her apart internally and someone is going to have pity on him.
Give me a break!!!!!
Thing is, according to my son...child rapists/molesters are even hated inside prison walls as well, and there are some that have to be segregated from general population...or the other inmates will take those people down! -
@ Debra Myers (skyangel)
Thing is, according to my son...child rapists/molesters are even hated inside prison walls as well, and there are some that have to be segregated from general population...or the other inmates will take those people down!
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
Really a shame that they are segregated.
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Sue D., (and it seems everyone else!), it is not only in the case of a second conviction - it's *required* in the case of a second conviction, but it's *an option* for the judge in the case of a first conviction. I know someone who was wrongly convicted of child abuse, and later the conviction was overturned. but his life was ruined... however at least he can put it back together (potentially). but castration? you trigger happy people are very short sighted. if you or a friend of yours are wrongfully convicted of something like this, how are you going to feel going home with your balls in a bag? and for you ladies who may not appreciate the kind of psychological torture this bill sanctions - imagine it as the equivalent of having your ovaries removed for a crime you may not have committed.
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@ cartwheel
Sue D., (and it seems everyone else!), it is not only in the case of a second conviction - it's *required* in the case of a second conviction, but it's *an option* for the judge in the case of a first conviction. I know someone who was wrongly convicted of child abuse, and later the conviction was overturned. but his life was ruined... however at least he can put it back together (potentially). but castration? you trigger happy people are very short sighted. if you or a friend of yours are wrongfully convicted of something like this, how are you going to feel going home with your balls in a bag? and for you ladies who may not appreciate the kind of psychological torture this bill sanctions - imagine it as the equivalent of having your ovaries removed for a crime you may not have committed.
Sorry, I can't agree...because I am one of those statistics and know plenty of women who will side with me on this. At least w/chemical castration, he's not having his parts cut off...and if it turns out that he's not to blame...well then so be it, he's still comes out with his testicles.
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@ Debra Myers (skyangel)
Thing is, according to my son...child rapists/molesters are even hated inside prison walls as well, and there are some that have to be segregated from general population...or the other inmates will take those people down!
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@ Jedediah Redman
There seems very little difference between the prison population and the majority of citizen journalists, then..?
You know what, Jed...take a flying leap. You are so cold hearted and DON'T understand what it's like to be a woman who's been molested and raped...so don't go spouting off your comments that don't make sense or are condiscending. -
@ Debra Myers (skyangel)
You know what, Jed...take a flying leap. You are so cold hearted and DON'T understand what it's like to be a woman who's been molested and raped...so don't go spouting off your comments that don't make sense or are condiscending.
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
There seem to be too many "men?" that don't see rape as a big deal.
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
There seem to be too many "men?" that don't see rape as a big deal.
Exactly. People that cannot put themselves into the victim's mindset, cannot begin to even understand the damage this does.
For children it is worse, many grow up with mental problems, not all, but many and to deliberately hurt and rape a child deserves the harshest of punishments.
Jindal is a good man, brave, righteous and willing to stand up and defend children and victims instead of the criminals that harm them. -
@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
There seem to be too many "men?" that don't see rape as a big deal.
@ Debra Myers (skyangel)
Obviously.
Actually, you might want to rethink that, ladies. Some of us think that chemical castration is the wrong way to go about it when a good sharp Bowie knife leaves a much more permanent impression... -
a good way to decide whether this makes any sense would be to leave it as an option for the convictee: 20 years in prison, or castration and 3 years in prison (or something). if people chose 20 years in prison over castration, it would be obvious that castration is inhuman. but coerced castration is torture.
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@ cartwheel
a good way to decide whether this makes any sense would be to leave it as an option for the convictee: 20 years in prison, or castration and 3 years in prison (or something). if people chose 20 years in prison over castration, it would be obvious that castration is inhuman. but coerced castration is torture.
Why should a vile creature who chooses to rape a child or baby have anything to say about his punishment?
If anyone gets to decide his fate let it be the child's parents.
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
"castration is inhuman?" What about raping an innocent child, is that OK?
Inhuman is a bit harsh, but it certainly sounds like unusual punishment to me.
Remember that a very wise, great man once said, "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind."
Maybe Ghandi was on to something there. ;)
Let's say that the castration does not remove the libido, but the actual physical performance; that would most certainly lead to much more violent crime. -
@ MetalFrog
Inhuman is a bit harsh, but it certainly sounds like unusual punishment to me.
Remember that a very wise, great man once said, "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind."
Maybe Ghandi was on to something there. ;)
Let's say that the castration does not remove the libido, but the actual physical performance; that would most certainly lead to much more violent crime.
I can't see that it is unusual punishment. Raping a child is so horrendous that the criminal doesn't deserve any mercy.
I certainly agree with your last statement. Physically they can't rape but can use other means or comment another violet crime against someone.
That is why they need to be locked up for life with the rest of the prisoners or be executed. -
Personally, I don't mind the idea of shipping them all off to an island and letting them fend for themselves, just can't them get too resourceful or it'll become Australia all over again. heh.
We can go back and forth on this issue and still think and feel the same way. These types of debates are difficult because it's such an intense issue that it tends to fall into an ad hominem argument. I'm not saying it has already descended to that, however.
I agree the crime is abhorrible, but I do not think it justifies that kind of punishment. We can say that if the prison system was doing what it should, people that succumb to disgusting urges once should be reformed and allowed a second chance, while people without any conscience should be locked away for the rest of their life.
To which you, and others, will say that once is more than enough and they do not deserve a second chance. Another avenue that we'll travel in different directions. :)
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I forgot my manners MetalFrog. :) Welcome to DJ.
The violent act is so horrible that I do not believe the criminal should get any mercy. From all that I have read and a case that I personally know of these vile people cannot be reformed.
Too many of them are given second chances and when out they go back to raping again.
The case that I know of he was raping his own daughters. He was put in jail and was "reformed" and was given his second chance.
But he wasn't out too long until he raped them again.
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Hope they don't say "Oops" later :) The only thing is how can Jindal say he is a Christian and yet think of all this torture.
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@ MetalFrog
Personally, I don't mind the idea of shipping them all off to an island and letting them fend for themselves, just can't them get too resourceful or it'll become Australia all over again. heh.
We can go back and forth on this issue and still think and feel the same way. These types of debates are difficult because it's such an intense issue that it tends to fall into an ad hominem argument. I'm not saying it has already descended to that, however.
I agree the crime is abhorrible, but I do not think it justifies that kind of punishment. We can say that if the prison system was doing what it should, people that succumb to disgusting urges once should be reformed and allowed a second chance, while people without any conscience should be locked away for the rest of their life.
To which you, and others, will say that once is more than enough and they do not deserve a second chance. Another avenue that we'll travel in different directions. :)
Yes.
Perhaps christians can offer some kind of treatment similar to the one they use to return homosexuals to heterosexuality..? -
The real torture is the raping of the child.
It seems too many men want to protect their "jewels" more than trying to imagine the pain and torture a child goes through by being raped.
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@ Jedediah Redman
Yes.
Perhaps christians can offer some kind of treatment similar to the one they use to return homosexuals to heterosexuality..?
It doesn't work. -
@ Debra Myers (skyangel)
You know what, Jed...take a flying leap. You are so cold hearted and DON'T understand what it's like to be a woman who's been molested and raped...so don't go spouting off your comments that don't make sense or are condiscending.
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@ Susan Duclos
Exactly. People that cannot put themselves into the victim's mindset, cannot begin to even understand the damage this does.
For children it is worse, many grow up with mental problems, not all, but many and to deliberately hurt and rape a child deserves the harshest of punishments.
Jindal is a good man, brave, righteous and willing to stand up and defend children and victims instead of the criminals that harm them.
But don't you old ladies think--deep down in your hearts--that they ought to just kill all of those square pegs..? -
@ Mr Garibaldi
Actually, you might want to rethink that, ladies. Some of us think that chemical castration is the wrong way to go about it when a good sharp Bowie knife leaves a much more permanent impression...
I hadn't forgotten you old ladies of the opposite sex, mikey... -
I would vote for Mr. G's method before I would consider any other method except for execution.
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
The real torture is the raping of the child.
It seems too many men want to protect their "jewels" more than trying to imagine the pain and torture a child goes through by being raped.
If you're only concerned with the reciprocation of the torture felt by rape, sending a child molester to prison will more than double that feeling.
They will be entirely emasculated and violated in every way imaginable... -
@ MetalFrog
If you're only concerned with the reciprocation of the torture felt by rape, sending a child molester to prison will more than double that feeling.
They will be entirely emasculated and violated in every way imaginable...
No I am not concerned with the reciprocation of torture I am concerned with punishment for the crime and keeping the criminal away from children. -
@ Mr Garibaldi
Actually, you might want to rethink that, ladies. Some of us think that chemical castration is the wrong way to go about it when a good sharp Bowie knife leaves a much more permanent impression...
That would also be my first choice of method of dealing with the perv.
@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]
No I am not concerned with the reciprocation of torture I am concerned with punishment for the crime and keeping the criminal away from children.
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@ MetalFrog
If you're only concerned with the reciprocation of the torture felt by rape, sending a child molester to prison will more than double that feeling.
They will be entirely emasculated and violated in every way imaginable...
That is not necessarily true because many times they separate them from the genpop. There is another aspect to Jindal's bill, which is prevention..letting them know what will happen to them should they touch a child could very well be the difference. -
@ Jedediah Redman
Speak to the editors and ask them to cast out all who disagree with your pespective...
Talk to the hand..................... -
@ Debra Myers (skyangel)
Talk to the hand.....................
You are too cute. -
@ Susan Duclos
You are too cute.
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"I want to send the message loud and clear – to the Supreme Court of the United States and beyond – make no mistake about it, if anyone wants to molest children and commit sexual assaults on kids they should not do so here in Louisiana. Here, we will do everything in our power to protect our children and we will not rest until justice is won and we have fully punished those who harm them.”
Hell i'd vote this guy in right now just for this one statement and the balls (yes I said balls) to back up what he says...can we override the pansies that are running for office?
Has castration ever been proven to stop these creatures ?
[quote]The term ''chemical castration'' is actually a misnomer, since no castration in fact occurs when a drug is used. The drug most often employed, an Upjohn product called Depo-Provera, lowers the testosterone level in men and thus reduces sex drive. When use of the drug stops, so does the reduction of the sex drive.
also from the same article:
''Child molestation is a crime of increasing concern, but it's a very tough problem to solve,'' said Donna Lyons, a criminal law specialist for the National Conference of State Legislatures, based in Denver. ''The big thing driving these efforts has been the habitual-offender aspect of child molesting. The rate of repeat crimes is daunting.''
As far as i'm concerned a second offense should be put to death ..period.
Yeah i'm a bit bloodthirsty, so friggin what...be on the receiving end of one of these creatures and see how normal your life is.... -
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Your welcome.
It just makes my blood boil to read how we should "reform" these creatures that are caught and then caught again and again harming children...
See this link from Psychology today The Mind of a Child Molester
This cunning sociopath manipulated and molested more than 1,000 boys by becoming their best friend. Here he turns a laser-sharp eye on himself.
this quote taken from page two:
Most of the guys in prison would enjoy nothing more than having the opportunity to get back out into the world, if only briefly. The world remains for me one that I simply can't handle. As they were taking me from the transport van into the hospital for medical testing I had to walk past a 12-year-old boy. All of the old feelings came crashing down. I felt as if this kid were a magnet pulling me toward him. If nothing else, I am glad that I am tightly confined behind iron bars.
Amy Hammel-Zabin, Ph.D., is a music therapist at New York University. She met Alan while working as a therapist in the prison where he is incarcerated. This excerpt is based on letters he wrote to Hammel-Zabin.
Reformed huh ? Oh and yeah he was on Lupron-
It annoys me and many other also. It is the most disgusting of crimes.
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