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Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh) in Internet | 32 comments | 2474 views
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With social networks being increasingly targeted by spammers, spyware, phishing and other attacks, Netizens begin to wonder how safe they really are online. When companies like Myspace start to avoid questions, the issue becomes that much more important.
By Paul Wallis and Chris Hogg (Part 1 of 2)

The electronic parasite otherwise known as spam has been flooding inboxes since the early days of the Internet. Pornographers, hackers and Nigerian scam artists looking to make a quick buck off erectile dysfunction pills are as common in your inbox as a hello from a friend.

But that was spam 1.0, and today’s version is an irritant on steroids. With the growth of social networks, spammers are smarter than anything the world has ever seen. The result is a smut-filled labyrinth where Web users are being bombarded with everything from dating propositions to shell companies selling fake products to the growth of organized crime online.

This is a serious issue. We asked major industry players how safe we are while on the Net. What surprised us most is the deafening silence and myriad of non-answers we received. Improbable silence and tangential babble is rampant from anyone who has something to lose.

Case in point: Myspace. While the social network is making great strides in protecting its users from attack, there are still gaping holes in security, particularly in dialogue about security. And when you ask tough questions to which Web users deserve answers, public relations people working for multi-million dollar organizations clam up faster than a political candidate ravaged by scandal.

MySpace Defending Against Spam, But Not Talking About It


This whole story came to be after we were contacted by a number of 22-year-old women. Getting contacted by someone you don’t know on a social network is not out of the ordinary, but when you get contacted by droves of people, all female, all 22, alarm bells sound.

Both of us began receiving several very unambiguous Friend Requests on MySpace (all from American females aged 22). This, despite the fact we both live on opposites sides of the world and we had never received anything prior. Every single one of them used a macro to advertise things like “Millions of boys and girls ready to get laid tonight.”

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A new type of spam has hit social networks like MySpace, coming in the form of friend requests. The person on the other end, whom you've never met, links to sex and pornography sites and adding friends on MySpace helps them reach large numbers of people quickly.
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(So much for the Safe Sex message, too. “Click a disease.” Just what every pubescent kid needs.)

Spam, definitely. But using social networks, it seems that spam has taken on a new face and it’s far more advanced than anything that clogs up your email inbox. The Friend Requests through MySpace, as one example, link to odd senders who are definitely not dating agencies. They don’t even look like English speaking links, let alone 22-year-old American women. And while the content of their messages change from person to person, it's always sex related.

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A new type of spam has hit social networks like MySpace, coming in the form of friend requests. The person on the other end, whom you've never met, links to sex and pornography sites and adding friends on MySpace helps them reach large numbers of people quickly.
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High-profile sites like MySpace are natural targets for spam, and the company has a series of hard line policies about spam eradication. Simply put: spam isn’t tolerated.

With “Friend Requests” rolling in, more 22-year-old women looking to be pals on MySpace, we took up the challenge of finding out just what MySpace is doing to stop this type of spam. We compiled a list of questions to be sent to MySpace officials hoping to learn a number of things ranging from how they handle friend-request spam, to any potential risks to MySpace users.

From Canada (Hogg’s home country), we sent questions off to MySpace in the United States. Quick response: No spokesperson available, we were told.

In all fairness to MySpace, we understand the company has a lot on its plate. We understand “busy”. We have to respect that, and we do.

So we waited a few days for a spokesperson to be freed up and tried contacting the company again through Australia (Wallis’ backyard). They were very quick, and a helpful guy got all our questions together and sent them off for official response.

The response came in the form of a phone call to Wallis’ home. The only problem was: It was 2:15 a.m. and the rep clearly didn’t look up time zones before phoning Australia from the U.S. God himself doesn’t call people at that hour, so an answering machine took the call. Again, no official comment.

When morning broke, we exchanged emails (and a certain amount of informed cursing) about how MySpace was addressing the issue and we learned something about how they handle media: The person who said no official response would be given (from MySpace in the U.S.) was the same person who made the 2 a.m. call to Australia. MySpace had pulled everything into one central place for handling these things in a monitoring division, despite the fact we put our questions through in two different countries.

What started out as a perfectly normal media inquiry was turning into a most bizarre series of events. We were also by now a bit concerned that a fairly normal press inquiry hadn’t received a set of responses.

Screenshot by DigitalJournal.com
A new type of spam has hit social networks like MySpace, coming in the form of friend requests. You get an email saying so-and-so wants to be added as your friend, but when you click through to find out who they are it leads to pornography sites and images like this one.
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Unlike most mainstream coverage, we can’t just wind up a few clichés about something that’s been happening for years on the Net and call it “coverage.” That’d be a weather report, and an old one at best,not news to our readers. DigitalJournal.com is also a news site, not a rumour factory. We can’t just make squeaky accusations that MySpace isn’t doing anything about the possible risks to users without talking to them. It wouldn’t be correct, to start with, and it’s not even information, just innuendo.

It’s standard journalistic practice to balance information, where the views of every party are essential to understanding the issues. Normally a company would jump at the opportunity to talk about its technology, defend its product and praise what it’s doing for users. Not MySpace. At least not officially in something quotable.

As the 22-year-olds piled up, we continued to ask MySpace to give us answers. We sent more emails and left voicemails to express our disappointment that we couldn’t get an official response.

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A new type of spam has hit social networks like MySpace, coming in the form of friend requests. You get an email saying so-and-so wants to be added as your friend, but when you click through to find out who they are it leads to pornography sites and images like this one.
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Then it came. The official statement (not answers to our questions) from MySpace.

Verbatim: “MySpace employs a variety technological, legal and policy solutions to protect our users from spam which is in direct violation of MySpace’s Terms of Use. We have removed and blocked the sources of these spam attempts. In addition, MySpace works with law enforcement to prosecute spammers who violate the law.” -- Hemanshu Nigam, MySpace Chief Security Officer.

OK, War and Peace it isn’t, but it does address the basics of the questions. Sort of. It’s great to hear the company takes spam seriously, but the lack of detail leads us to believe MySpace would rather we go away than engage in any meaningful dialogue.

When we were emailed this statement, we were also told: "MySpace will not be providing further comment from any other spokesperson as Mr. Nigam is the only appropriate spokesperson." Despite some great people who helped with the company’s PR (and we do appreciate whatever it took to do that), we weren’t finding answers.

MySpace removed some profiles of 22-year-old women who added us as friends after they were found to be a source of spam. Since then, we’ve had more add us.

MySpace also does several things to quash unsolicited spam, and the company encouraged us to read the spam portion of their website to learn more. We replied saying it was not good enough for readers who want answers to simple questions, and the spam section of the site is boilerplate.

By not answering media questions in detail, the company makes it seems as though it doesn’t care about who is behind the action. Instead, they delete someone’s account and move on. You can kill an account, but you can’t kill a cause or a movement as large as spam.

These are issues where MySpace needs to clearly explain its own position. It’s also lousy media relations.

Not all media are hostile to MySpace. We don’t think this possibility is funny, either. It’s a real risk to the public, and the big sites will need all the help they can get, and public awareness, to deal with it.

Screenshot by DigitalJournal.com
A new type of spam has hit social networks like MySpace, coming in the form of friend requests. You get an email saying so-and-so wants to be added as your friend, but when you click through to find out who they are it leads to pornography sites and images like this one.
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How safe is the Net, really?


In order to find out just how much of a threat users face online in social networks, we set out to interview two big experts in the field of spam, spyware and Internet attacks: Symantec (the makers of Norton Antivirus) and McAfee.

First up, McAfee: A leader in the area of protecting users online. Or so they say. Their corporate mission statement reads, “McAfee proactively secures systems and networks from known and as yet undiscovered threats worldwide.” Sounds lovely. But when we contacted the company with basic questions on where threats exist, a McAfee spokesperson replied, “I spoke with a couple of the researchers at McAfee and unfortunately they are unable to answer [your] questions. They do not typically focus on social networking sites but the overall idea of spam and malware.”

That certainly sounds like the “comprehensive and proven solutions” the company raves about. Also makes you wonder how people handle these threats, if they don’t bother to define their sources, and don’t look at their major targets. Remember, this is one of the top security sites on Earth, systematically not doing that.

Moving on, we also spoke with Symantec who had much more to say. In an interview with DigitalJournal.com, Symantec (Canada) vice-president and general manager, Michael Murphy, outlined today’s pock-filled Web.

(Our gratitude to Mr. Murphy for his comments are undying. We finally found someone in the major league who understood the questions, and who hadn’t taken a Vow of Silence or a post-doctorate degree in Implausible Media Relations 101).

Screenshot by DigitalJournal.com
A new type of spam has hit social networks like MySpace, coming in the form of friend requests. You get an email saying so-and-so wants to be added as your friend, but when you click through to find out who they are it leads to pornography sites and images like this one.
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“Although spam is a substantial risk to users of social networking sites, the real risk is with the wide variety of customization options and third-party applications available,” he said in an email interview with us. “Users can customize details in their profile, include links to other sites, upload images, videos and, in some cases, users are even allowed to embed code into their profile page. The problem is that hackers can do all of these things...”

Murphy says this is a significant risk to social networks because a hacker can hijack another user’s profile and gain access to a social network, using all information stored in profiles to carry out a “social engineering attack.” It’s all done through third-party applications.

Third-party applications are all the rage in today’s social Web. Sites like Facebook and MySpace have become famous because external companies are now developing applications to run on social networks. They are not created by MySpace or Facebook, but they can be used by any of the site’s members. Social networks win because they don’t have to invest a penny in creating any of their own applications, and external companies get the added benefit of gaining access to millions of people using the sites. It’s win-win for both parties, but it’s this bleeding wound that catches the attention of swimming sharks.

One example of a breach using third-party applications happened on Facebook; an application designed to tell members about secret relationship crushes actually attempted to fool users into downloading spyware. Fortinet, a security firm, found the problem.

“Gone are the days of the hacker who is looking for recognition and fame,” said Murphy. “Today, highly professionalized and organized criminal networks have been established to generate substantial financial payoffs for attackers. These networks have matured over the past year and have evolved to become a consolidated underground economy.”

Symantec sent us the following breakdown of places from which threats originate:

Source: Symantec Corporation
The following chart shows the top countries hosting phishing sites and top targets phished
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Social Networks, Wake Up


Nobody envies MySpace’s position. Sometimes, when you are big you will be criticized no matter what you do. Media has been more negative than helpful, in terms of MySpace’s quite legitimate problems.

Now the big problem: The trouble with regulation on the Web is that it will always be behind the eight ball, after the event. Prevention is the only answer. All the previous Internet scams have taken far too long to get attention. You can’t play catch up and expect to beat them.

MySpace is the big bull’s-eye for any collection of jerks who are looking for an easy target and a lot of inexperienced users.

So why are social networks still being reactive instead of proactive? Big public sites are sitting ducks. They are being targeted already, and it’s more a matter of when, rather than if, they get hit with something that works.

Imagine if something like the World of Warcraft virtual plague got on to MySpace. What if, instead of a game, it was a zombie plague, hitting millions of computers, doing a lot of robotic phishing? The results would be catastrophic. People wouldn’t even know they’d been hit until their cards and payments started bouncing. It would cost users billions, and the legal side of the equation doesn’t really bear thinking about, for the sites.

Screenshot by DigitalJournal.com
A new type of spam has hit social networks like MySpace, coming in the form of friend requests. You get an email saying so-and-so wants to be added as your friend, but when you click through to find out who they are it leads to pornography sites and images like this one.
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This the Internet Pandemic scenario, complete with ready-made epidemics. People who are prepared to phish systematically are more than likely to be ready to try big hits. All they need is site access.

It can be done, too. The difficulty is only in terms of numbers of affected computers, not any technical obstacle. Spam routinely affects huge numbers of users, so volumes aren’t a problem, and malicious software only needs a few lines or so of code.

Anything can carry that kind of code, too. Wallis’ anti-virus got four hits in less than a minute from something in a picture posted on the Net just recently. Expand this to the level of a social network, with millions of people and you have the potential for a full blown cyber World War 3.

But spam is only part of the problem, and with so much potential to earn big money, the people behind it are also becoming increasingly more dangerous.

If you’re still not convinced about the potential threat from spammers and phishers who target users through social networks, perhaps you’d also like to know that organized crime is also behind it. The problem is a whole lot bigger than ads for porn sites.

This article is the first in a two-part series. To read our investigation into organized crime's growth online and how social networks are being targeted, click here to read part two.
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  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Chris V. (cgull)
    #1
    Awesome reporting by you two. I joined MySpace because my friend wanted to share her family photos with me. Ever since then I have been receiving so many invites, it is just bizarre. I think they just want to have some statistics attached to them that they have many friends. I plan to cancel it, I just kept it open in case have to embed MySpace videos, but this is ain't worth it. MySpace won't respond until it hits the news big time. Well done guys.
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Bob Ewing
    #2
    I have received the same crap on myspace and marked them as spam. This is great coverage. I am also considering cancelling my myspace account, who needs more spam?
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop)
    #3
    I actually read an ad on Monster.com for one of these jobs - essentially spamming all over the internet, trying to lure men in to have "online" sex chats with you.....the deal is to get them to eventually pay to see you in some live sex video or some crap. You work from your home computer and are paid $25.00 for ever sucker you lure in. They give you the necessary tools to post the ads and the lures - it was made specifically clear in the ad for the job that you had to be very open to sexually explicit language and capable of having sexually explicit conversation long enough to reel in your prey. I can only imagine what type of person is sitting behind those keyboards sending out those messages - yuck!
    (needless to say I didn't take the bait - er, I mean job....lol!)
    Great report guys.
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Chris V. (cgull)
    #4
    @ Bob Ewing
    I have received the same crap on myspace and marked them as spam. This is great coverage. I am also considering cancelling my myspace account, who needs more spam?
    The problem is it keeps coming like regular mail spam.

    Here is a video of fake Murdoch's outburst, very funny. It looks very real including the actor.
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #5
    LOLOLOL!

    I have to laugh because even I received those spammy things where two young woman wanted to become my friend! Thing is...neither was in the US. I wished I'd have saved them...you guys could have used my own as cases in point! I went to MySpace to see these young women's bios...and was surprised that they even wanted too contact me. I hit ignore on both of their requests!
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  666divine
    #6
    From what I gather from this, it would appear to me that the spokesperson for Myspace would have no idea that the executives in the board room would at some point only be dragged out the door feet first. So the question is; who really controls Myspace?
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Theodora L. (Franklin)
    #7
    Well, well, well... finally someone took the time to investigate this. I was wondering myself these days what the heck is going on. Hear my story.

    I am a big fan of "The Tudors" show. On my spare time, I enjoy reading about historical figures and debating about where the truth lies. I also have a Facebook account. So, I decided to join the Tudors group to keep up with the episodes and news and also have intelligent debates about the show. A week passed by and everything was fine and then one day this week, or last (I don't remember), I go to visit the page and I see a comment like this (copy/pasted from the group):

    "im too drunk right now and i'm sure i'll delete it tomorrow but if you want to SEE ME HAVING SEX with my ex boyfriend - check it out at my webpage http://mary-norman.blogspot.com/"


    At first, I thought it was some girl (because it is a girl poster) who was wasted and decided to post this on the board. I was actually too tired to think about it. When I logged out of Facebook, something just kept bugging me, so I logged back in and went to the group. There is a little "Report" button on it. I clicked on that and it gave me 2 options: either it is Advertisement/Spam or Attack on Individual or group. I didn't bother reporting it because I thought maybe, just maybe they would notice and erase it or that she would.

    A couple of days passed and I get a notification that someone wrote on the wall. I am all smiles because as I said previously I like good debate, when I bumped into this:
    "Someone emailed me this link to a video yesterday, I watched it and I'm still in shock! Check it out at http://so-sweet-ashley.blogspot.com"


    Again it is obvious that it is a female poster since the picture of the person is very provocative (well, she's like half naked). So this time I decided to report it, but only today. So I am waiting to see whether or not they will erase this.

    The worst thing is that one of these links leads to Youtube (how did youtube let this be uploaded I have no idea. I just clicked on it now to see where it would lead me.

    Moreover, I have received friend requests from people who are over the age of 40. I have no idea who they are. I look like I am 12 - but I am smart enough to say that I don't want to "befriend" them, but I wonder what about other young girls on Facebook? I know girls who are 10 or 11 who have opened up a Facebook account and they don't know better but to "befriend" these people. I also received personal messages from these people. I have a tendency to erase these when I get them but I remember the last one was something like "I'm a 40 year old male looking for some fun. I am from (wherever he was from) and I am looking for some young females."

    Now if Facebook is really safe, how come this is allowed?!?!? Makes me wonder what else happens on this site. My friend and I were joking once to go under cover and open up an account and see how many of these messages we would receive. We never did, but now I really want to.

    By the way, I clicked on one of those names now, and I think they solely opened up an account for the purpose of spamming the system. They have no friends (I can obviously check this).
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Michelle D. (PlanetJanet)
    #8
    A superb report and incredibly frightening. I was on MySpace but deleted my account very soon after because I was being emailed such filth. I still have friends (real ones) who are sad to see me go, but I'm afraid I won't have anything to do with the site anymore...unfortunately, MySpace will go down the can very quickly if they don't do something about this...

    A site worth avoiding like the plague!
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Michelle D. (PlanetJanet)
    #9
    @ Chris V. (cgull)
    The problem is it keeps coming like regular mail spam.

    Here is a video of fake Murdoch's outburst, very funny. It looks very real including the actor.


    Don't waste anymore time cgull - I kiss the day I left MySpace!

    Facebook is another I have avoided due to spam emails - I won't join anything now, (I only stay on DJ of course!)
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Saikat Basu (Maverick)
    #10
    Internet Pandemic scenario is something which will come true unfortunately because of increasing bandwidth use and increase in speeds. With the increase in speeds, more complex programs could get transferred in a matter of seconds into computers world over. It is a scary thought. 2 years back I hadn't even heard of 'phishing'.
    I guess what Tim Berners Lee said about guarding our personal data and cautioning against storing it on social networking sites is coming true.
    Fantastic bit of work...its a great report. Waiting for Part 2!
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Cat Lover
    #11
    One of my brothers met a girl on myspace not too many years ago. He dated her for a while; she was a 22-yr old female in the US and she was a psycho. That may be somewhat unrelated though...
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Chris Hogg
    #12
    @ Cat Lover
    One of my brothers met a girl on myspace not too many years ago. He dated her for a while; she was a 22-yr old female in the US and she was a psycho. That may be somewhat unrelated though...

    Did she operate a major crime syndicate? =)
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  666divine
    #13
    @ Chris Hogg
    Did she operate a major crime syndicate? =)

    Did her name happen to be Rocco? :)
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  666divine
    #14
    @ 666divine
    Did her name happen to be Rocco? :)

    Did she mention anything about dead bodies washing ashore or encased in cement?
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  666divine
    #15
    @ 666divine
    Did she mention anything about dead bodies washing ashore or encased in cement?

    Does her name end in "one" or "oni" oh what a minute - forget it - mine does; But she wouldn't have anything to do with Sicily, now would she?
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  666divine
    #16
    Did she mention anything about having a Godfather?
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #17
    Was there the making of an offer that couldn't be refused?
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  666divine
    #18
    @ Mr Garibaldi
    Was there the making of an offer that couldn't be refused?

    Would you want to be married into a family in which there is no divorce?
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #19
    @ 666divine
    Would you want to be married into a family in which there is no divorce?


    Lord no.

    Well, wait.

    How much money are we talking about?
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Mr Garibaldi
    #20
    Scratch that last.

    No.

    ;)
  • avatar Posted Apr 17, 2008 by  Cynthia T. [Picasso]
    #21
    Excellent report Wanderlaugh and Chris.
    I have never been on Myspace as I have never been interested in it.

    I did join Facebook for awhile because a friend had wanted me to see something that he had posted on it.

    After I started getting contacts from someone I cancelled my account. Who needs trouble from another source.
  • avatar Posted Apr 18, 2008 by  David Silverberg
    #22
    I'm with the chorus on the MySpace hatorade. Not a fan of that spammy site, but wasn't digging their design layout either and all the unnecessary bells n' whistles.

    As a journalist, not surprised to find out MySpace stayed shtum on their flaws, although it would be nice to see a PR rep step up and be straight up with journos once in awhile. Too much to ask?
  • avatar Posted Apr 18, 2008 by  Paul Wallis (Wanderlaugh)
    #23
    @ David Silverberg
    I'm with the chorus on the MySpace hatorade. Not a fan of that spammy site, but wasn't digging their design layout either and all the unnecessary bells n' whistles.

    As a journalist, not surprised to find out MySpace stayed shtum on their flaws, although it would be nice to see a PR rep step up and be straight up with journos once in awhile. Too much to ask?


    As you can imagine, we were enchanted from Day One. Fond as I am of being rung at unsaintly hours of the morning, finding out it was the same person who'd been wearing out Chris' fingers wasn't too encouraging.

    We didn't even get self righteous denial. They could have flounced off, declining to comment, or anything, but that silence was weird. To this day we don't really know what it took to get those 50 words of magnanimity.

    What stunned me was that Rupert doesn't pay his PR/MR people to be shy. This is a News Corp company, and that isn't their style, at all.

    As you will see in Part Two, we were playing nice, and our questions were pretty much according to Hoyle, nothing awful or even vaguely hostile.

    We even used them there word things, 'stead of drawings.

    Also strange is the fact that PR people are hired specifically for their proven ability to provide huge amounts of disinformation from birth. Why has this noble tradition been overturned?
  • avatar Posted Apr 18, 2008 by  Catfan81
    #24
    Excellent work on this story.

    Great job!
  • avatar Posted Apr 18, 2008 by  Chris Hogg
    #25
    Just a quick follow-up to everyone: We've published part two of this story here.
  • avatar Posted Apr 18, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #26
    Ha! I just got another one of those emails:

    Juliana Buckley added you as a friend on Facebook...‏

    From: Facebook (confirm+o2yyst_6@facebookmail.com)
    Sent: Fri 4/18/08 6:52 PM
    Reply-to: noreply (noreply@facebookmail.com)
    To: Debra A Myers

    Juliana added you as a friend on Facebook. We need you to confirm that you are, in fact, friends with Juliana. To confirm this friend request, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/n/?reqs.php Thanks,The Facebook Team

    And this fell right into my inbox...!
  • avatar Posted Apr 21, 2008 by  Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
    #27
    Great reporting guys, this is highly interesting to me. It always amazes me that people actually say yes to adding friends without actually knowing who they are or having someone else say OK, they are legit on these social networking sites.

    One quick question, does Digital Journal have any phishing software? Or does everyone sees that Queeensway Volkswagen ad? And, if everyone is seeing that ad, just why is everyone seeing that ad? Wanderlaugh is down in Australia and I'm sure is not going to drop by Kipling and the Queensway to buy the latest Jetta TDI, but I might because it is just down the street. Don't you think that advertiser's want their ads to be cost-effective and targeted? Just asking.
  • avatar Posted Apr 21, 2008 by  Chris Hogg
    #28
    @ Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
    Great reporting guys, this is highly interesting to me. It always amazes me that people actually say yes to adding friends without actually knowing who they are or having someone else say OK, they are legit on these social networking sites.

    One quick question, does Digital Journal have any phishing software? Or does everyone sees that Queeensway Volkswagen ad? And, if everyone is seeing that ad, just why is everyone seeing that ad? Wanderlaugh is down in Australia and I'm sure is not going to drop by Kipling and the Queensway to buy the latest Jetta TDI, but I might because it is just down the street. Don't you think that advertiser's want their ads to be cost-effective and targeted? Just asking.

    We are serving relevant ads Carolyn so non-Canadians won't have a clue what you are talking about with Queensway ad :) -- it's not served to Australia or U.S. for example.
  • avatar Posted Apr 21, 2008 by  Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
    #29
    OK, so what does "serving" mean? From what you are saying, you can tell where we are from and display relevant advertising. So, how do you know where we are from? Our IP address? And if so, what is to stop you (and I don't necessarily mean you in the personal sense, II mean the corporate DJ or it's affiliates/associates/partners) in the future from using this knowledge to target each of us for some unknown nefarious purpose? Just asking.
  • avatar Posted Apr 21, 2008 by  Chris Hogg
    #30
    @ Carolyn E. Price (gohomelaker)
    OK, so what does "serving" mean? From what you are saying, you can tell where we are from and display relevant advertising. So, how do you know where we are from? Our IP address? And if so, what is to stop you (and I don't necessarily mean you in the personal sense, II mean the corporate DJ or it's affiliates/associates/partners) in the future from using this knowledge to target each of us for some unknown nefarious purpose? Just asking.

    Serving means delivering. We "serve" you content. Every computer has an IP address -- when you visit any website your computer talks with the site and the site serves content to you through your IP (that's how it knows how to give you information). Your IP is not a secret.

    That said, we don't publish your IP anywhere and advertising is served based on your region. IP addresses come in blocks (groups) that have certain orders of number to identify country, etc.

    Google ads, for example, work this way too -- they pull local advertising based on where you are in many cases and they know where you are based on your IP.

    We don't use any IP information in the future -- it's only how your computer communicates with our servers for the session you are browsing. This happens on every single site though -- your PC talks to the webpage you are on and you are identifiable under your IP. There is no personal information and nothing is known about you via your IP -- it's just a number assigned to your computer. That number can also change from time to time depending on who your provider is.
  • avatar Posted Apr 25, 2008 by  Chris Hogg
    #31
    I'm not sure what happened overnight but I just got seven more friend requests from our sexually-driven women.

    Some of these lovely ladies actually introduce themselves in their profiles by saying:

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    - "i actually wish i didnt have to wear clothes..." (Deena in New York)

    - "im an open...minded, creative, sensual woman, that has a good sense of humor and the combination of sex and brains in one body... if you can stimulate both....im all yours" (Kara, Washington)

    - "i just got a new digital camera and have had so much fun with it. i love the feeling of a breeze all over my body" (Jillian, New York)
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    Who needs to deal with this, really? It's easier to drop MySpace than constantly get bombarded with this garbage.
  • avatar Posted Apr 25, 2008 by  Debra Myers (skyangel)
    #32
    @ Chris Hogg
    I'm not sure what happened overnight but I just got seven more friend requests from our sexually-driven women.

    Some of these lovely ladies actually introduce themselves in their profiles by saying:

    -------------------------------
    - "i actually wish i didnt have to wear clothes..." (Deena in New York)

    - "im an open...minded, creative, sensual woman, that has a good sense of humor and the combination of sex and brains in one body... if you can stimulate both....im all yours" (Kara, Washington)

    - "i just got a new digital camera and have had so much fun with it. i love the feeling of a breeze all over my body" (Jillian, New York)
    --------------------------------

    Who needs to deal with this, really? It's easier to drop MySpace than constantly get bombarded with this garbage.


    I agree, Chris. Even I am getting similar friend requests, which I chose to ignore. I mean...gee whiz, I'm a female getting this crap from other women! Not even remotely interested in a female! LOLOLOL!

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