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Lensman - The Great Accuser.
So, am I going to get kicked off now? Blatant attacks at Picasso, major hostility. Total insults. Rude, rude and more rude.
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OK lensman it seems you have made yourself the judge of who is a true Christian and who is not.
How do you define a true Christian? I am seriously asking this.
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I don't think it matters what a person thinks about who is a "true christian" since that title can be as shifting as the wind. I blew up a while back about it, although I shouldn't have.
Like I told my mother in law, if you are going to think ill of me, then I will care less what you think of me.
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@ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop):
Lensman - The Great Accuser.
So, am I going to get kicked off now? Blatant attacks at Picasso, major hostility. Total insults. Rude, rude and more rude.
You are so right GTS and thank-you.
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@ Samantha A. Torrence:
Like I told my mother in law, if you are going to think ill of me, then I will care less what you think of me.
I really like that Amaranth think I will put it into practice now.
The more I think of it what an excellant thought. :-) -
My goodness people it's a friggin report button. So long as remarks aren't way over the top and personal we're free to do what we choose. Let's not make a huge thing on it.
We can discuss things in a civilized manner and disagree and remain civilized. Keep it academic and amicable, that's all, no blatant personal attacks or malicious assaults on things like race, religions etc. We're not going to define all that we can and can't say, use your judgment.
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]:
OK lensman it seems you have made yourself the judge of who is a true Christian and who is not.
How do you define a true Christian? I am seriously asking this.
I don’t really need to define a true Christian, Jesus did that for us. I must get to class soon but a brief list of attributes would include: Do unto others as you would have others do unto you, love thy neighbor, suffer the little children to come unto me, Judge not lest you be judged, it is easier for a camel (I think he said cable) to get through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven (meaning a general regard for the plight of the poor) and let he who is without sin throw the first stone. There are more but that is a good working list. Once people master that they can move on to the finer points.
Rabbi Hillel whose teachings most resemble those of Jesus said: “Do not do to others that which you would not want others to do to you. That is the whole of the law, the rest is merely commentary.” I believe Jesus would agree. All this nonsense of worrying about one’s place in the kingdom of God? Jesus would have contempt for such people and said so on numerous occasions. He wanted us to tend his flocks until his return. Everything else is selfish self-obsession and Jesus has said that he would spit such people out.
One final bit of advice from Jesus--be not like the hypocrites who love to be seen praying in public. That is a paraphrase but the gist is there.
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@ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop):
Lensman - The Great Accuser.
So, am I going to get kicked off now? Blatant attacks at Picasso, major hostility. Total insults. Rude, rude and more rude.
What really surprised me was that DJ made him a Citizen Journalist. What's the deal with that DJ? Care to enlighten the rest of us? -
@ lensman67:
I don’t really need to define a true Christian, Jesus did that for us. I must get to class soon but a brief list of attributes would include: Do unto others as you would have others do unto you, love thy neighbor, suffer the little children to come unto me, Judge not lest you be judged, it is easier for a camel (I think he said cable) to get through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven (meaning a general regard for the plight of the poor) and let he who is without sin throw the first stone. There are more but that is a good working list. Once people master that they can move on to the finer points.
Rabbi Hillel whose teachings most resemble those of Jesus said: “Do not do to others that which you would not want others to do to you. That is the whole of the law, the rest is merely commentary.” I believe Jesus would agree. All this nonsense of worrying about one’s place in the kingdom of God? Jesus would have contempt for such people and said so on numerous occasions. He wanted us to tend his flocks until his return. Everything else is selfish self-obsession and Jesus has said that he would spit such people out.
One final bit of advice from Jesus--be not like the hypocrites who love to be seen praying in public. That is a paraphrase but the gist is there.
O.K. I have shown you mine now you show me yours.
Wrong answer. "If you love me you will obey My commands." If you love Him you will obey His commands. He commands you to love your brothers and sisters in Christ. He never commanded you to tear them down. All you do here is tear down those who stand up for Christ and His Gospel - He will judge you accordingly, rest assured. -
@ Bocephalus:
My goodness people it's a friggin report button. So long as remarks aren't way over the top and personal we're free to do what we choose. Let's not make a huge thing on it.
We can discuss things in a civilized manner and disagree and remain civilized. Keep it academic and amicable, that's all, no blatant personal attacks or malicious assaults on things like race, religions etc. We're not going to define all that we can and can't say, use your judgment.
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@ Sheba:
What really surprised me was that DJ made him a Citizen Journalist. What's the deal with that DJ? Care to enlighten the rest of us?
I don't want to start a war, but aren't you doing exactly what this post said not to do...attack people. It should just be dropped and move on. We'll all be much happier! ;o) -
@ Sheba:
Wrong answer. "If you love me you will obey My commands." If you love Him you will obey His commands. He commands you to love your brothers and sisters in Christ. He never commanded you to tear them down. All you do here is tear down those who stand up for Christ and His Gospel - He will judge you accordingly, rest assured.
Here are a few for you and the faux Christians to think about. When you have mastered this list we will talk about the mote in my eye, until then worry about the beam in your own
Agree with thine adversary quickly" Matt. 5:25
Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" Matt.19:17-19
As ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise" Luke 6:31
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away Matt. 5:42
"Give alms of such things as ye have Luke 11:41
When thou makest a dinner..call not thy friends, nor thy brethren…but….call the poor Luke 14:12-13
When thou prayest thou shalt not be as the hypocrites…to be seen of men…enter into thy closet and pray in secret" Matt. 6:5-6
Take my yoke upon you…for I am meek and lowly in heart" Matt. 11:29
Love one another as I have loved you" John 15:12
"Love your enemies" Matt. 5:44; Matt. 26:52
And this one is especially for you:
Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy" Luke 12:1 -
When thou makest a dinner..call not thy friends, nor thy brethren…but….call the poor Luke 14:12-13
This is a good one for that sort of hypocrite who despised the poor and blames them for their lot. You know the sort, the ones who brag that they “take care of their own.” Ring any bells?
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@ lensman67:
Here are a few for you and the faux Christians to think about.
Seriously, why do you even go there? Make your point, don't insult others who aren't even involoved! -
@ Leah:
Seriously, why do you even go there? Make your point, don't insult others who aren't even involoved!
O.K. I am confused. Are YOU calling yourself a Faux Christian? You do realize that Faux means fake—don’t you? If you do not consider yourself a fake then how does this apply to you? -
@ Leah:
Seriously, why do you even go there? Make your point, don't insult others who aren't even involoved!
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@ lensman67:
O.K. I am confused. Are YOU calling yourself a Faux Christian? You do realize that Faux means fake—don’t you? If you do not consider yourself a fake then how does this apply to you?
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@ Leah:
I am not fake....so I guess you are right! LOL...ok, *walks away with head down*....
Well I certainly think that your reaction shows beyond a doubt that you are most certainly NOT a fake! You seem like the real thing.
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@ lensman67:
My dear gohomelaker,
Please cite examples. ;o)
OK so, I'm back now and see that things haven't changed much while I was away. Leah, I promise, this is it for me *with a wink and my fingers and legs crossed!*
Lensman, As requested:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/159348/Are_You_Familiar_With_The_Illuminati_Conspiracy_Theory_Or_Fact_What_Do_You_Think_#comment
Comment #34:
@ lensman67:
Scoop dear. I see you are still spreading misinformation and fear. So lets get this straight, the Freemasons, which include such members as George Washington
Ben Franklin
And John Wane
Are evil and the anti-Freemasons, which include Adolph Hitler
Pat Robertson
And YOU are the good guys. Right?
For those who would like a different take on the matter check out my article on Freemasonry at http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/161993
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/158696/A_One_World_Government_Are_You_Ready_Better_Be_Are_You_Familiar_With_Agenda_21_
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@ lensman67:
I am sorry my friend but you are not very well read in Biblical studies.
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It is not the sheep that stays in the flock that the Sheppard goes in search of it is the lost sheep and you my friend are very, very lost indeed.
OK, so it's not my dear but my friend. Equal in my eyes.
Comment #86:
@ lensman67:
No dear Rumi was a Sufi NOT a Bahai, a religion that was invented centuries after his death. As for any religion advocating One World Government you keep forgetting that Jesus will not return until we have such a government so this is actually something you WANT.
Comment #103:
@ lensman67:
You are confused my dear. I have never claimed to be a Christian but YOU HAVE and since you feel that you have the right to use your religion as a club to beat others with then you should not be surprised when someone holds you to the standards of your Lord. In you heart of hearts do you really think Jesus would approve of your hate filled and judgmental ways?
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/159807/British_Clergyman_Idea_That_Christ_Died_For_Our_Sins_Is_Insane_
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@ lensman67:
Sorry dear your knowledge of scripture has let you down yet again.
Just a few. I'm not sure if there's more, but these were ones that I was involved with commenting on as well and had seen you make. -
lensman you said about an hour ago that you needed to go to a class.
You told me what your definition of a Christian is and asked for my definition "O.K. I have shown you mine now you show me yours."
I am still planning to reply to that if you really want to know what I believe and not use it as a springboard for anything else. I do not make it a practice of arguing what I believe with anyone. If someone wants to really know what and why I believe what I do I will tell them.
I had to leave to do some things and now I need to finish something then watch Survivor then I will be back -
OK so, I'm back now and see that things haven't changed much while I was away. Leah, I promise, this is it for me *with a wink and my fingers and legs crossed!*
LOL...you so silly! *wink*
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@ lensman67:
Here are a few for you and the faux Christians to think about. When you have mastered this list we will talk about the mote in my eye, until then worry about the beam in your own
Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy" Luke 12:1
Wrong again. This is for you.
13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
(All the above verses taken from the 23 chapter of Matthew.)
You can come on here and play god to the lepers in your head till kingdom come, you will never stand before a righteous God while denying Christ - or are you trying to say you're the real Christian!?
One final word from the Lord to you: You shall die in your iniquity and your worms shall not die.
So keep doing what you're doing. You're gifted at straining out gnats and swallowing camels...but as the Lord has said: "Wisdom is justified by her children." The Lord knows those who are his...and you are not Him. Keep spouting your vitriol, I think those who are wise of heart will see thru you for who and what you really are. God bless and I mean that. I believe the words, "bless those who curse you and do good to them that spitefully abuse you."
@ Leah:
I don't want to start a war, but aren't you doing exactly what this post said not to do...attack people. It should just be dropped and move on. We'll all be much happier! ;o)
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lensman I honestly do not see how you can set yourself as the judge of who is a Christian and who isn't. It is beyond me how you can do it. No one has to live by what you set as standards for everyone.
You wrote "Here are a few for you and the faux Christians to think about. When you have mastered this list we will talk about the mote in my eye, until then worry about the beam in your own"
Why do you think any one needs to "master" your list?
The passage you took that verse from is Matthew 7:1-5
Jesus was telling each person that judgement of others is forbidden. The passages are for each person to exam themselves before God and not to use the passages to attack others and to hold ourselves up as superior to anyone they feel is beneath them. -
I am happy to hear that you are enforcing a "Code of Conduct". But does this apply to "Me", or just everyone else.
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@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]:
lensman you said about an hour ago that you needed to go to a class.
You told me what your definition of a Christian is and asked for my definition I am still planning to reply to that if you really want to know what I believe and not use it as a springboard for anything else. I do not make it a practice of arguing what I believe with anyone. If someone wants to really know what and why I believe what I do I will tell them.
I had to leave to do some things and now I need to finish something then watch Survivor then I will be back
You have my word I will not argue with your definition. You asked for mine and I gave it so turn about is fair play. -
@ Cynthia T. [Picasso]:
lensman I honestly do not see how you can set yourself as the judge of who is a Christian and who isn't. It is beyond me how you can do it. No one has to live by what you set as standards for everyone.
You wrote Why do you think any one needs to "master" your list?
The passage you took that verse from is Matthew 7:1-5
Jesus was telling each person that judgement of others is forbidden. The passages are for each person to exam themselves before God and not to use the passages to attack others and to hold ourselves up as superior to anyone they feel is beneath them.
Picasso we are in agreement! I believe that people who use their religion as a club need to be reminded of the teachings of Jesus which they CLAIM to follow. Of all the attributes that Jesus is noted for compassion is at the head of the list so when I meet someone claiming to be a Christian who lacks compassion (NOT referring to you here) then I feel that it is my duty to remind them of his message.
The top things on my list that will get a person labeled a “faux Christian” are:
A lack of compassion for one’s fellow human.
A gleeful tendency to judge others and find them wanting.
A tendency to blame the poor for their plight and to feel superior to them
A belief that “looking after one’s own” and leaving the less fortunate to fend for themselves is somehow an admirable trait.
An obsession with personal salvation at the expense of compassion for others.
The notion that one has a right to apply their own set of morals to other people. Provided the moral behavior we are talking about is between consenting adults the fact that one person would not do something themselves gives them absolutely no justification for judging those who would.
You will note that when I admonish faux Christians it is always their own morals I cite and not mine. If someone claims to follow Jesus then the measuring stick that they must meet is the teachings of Jesus and not my beliefs.
If none of those things apply to you then we have no argument. So how do you define a Christian? Let me tell you up front that a definition that is heavy on belief and short on works and compassion is not going to impress me, nor I believe would it impress Jesus.
Your turn.
P.S. One last question in light of your opposition to hate-crime legislation. How do you justify calling for special protections for your beliefs and sensitivities when you seek to deny them to others? If you do not like people calling you names, judging your actions or speaking about you in what you deem a hateful way how can you seek to deny the same rights to others? If you do nothing else could you at least explain that one please? -
One last question in light of your opposition to hate-crime legislation. How do you justify calling for special protections for your beliefs and sensitivities when you seek to deny them to others? If you do not like people calling you names, judging your actions or speaking about you in what you deem a hateful way how can you seek to deny the same rights to others? If you do nothing else could you at least explain that one please?
I know you asked Picasso this but I am going to weigh in. I heard something on radio and can't remember it all verbatim but it was to the effect that legislating "hate" is like legislating "thought" by calling hate a crime. There are already laws against crimes like murder and etc. Crimes are usually committed with hate as the motive, not love. Yet we don't legislate the "thought" behind murder as a crime.
Apparently when the bill was being pushed thru congress or the group that was considering it, the argument for other "hate crimes" was put before them, eg. hate crimes against the disabled, pregnant, seniors etc. Those arguments were denied - in fact the only one they would consider were the ones against homosexuals. Now only someone in denial would not agree that the gay rights agenda have one thing only in its sight and that is the systematic destruction of the family. -
There is one thing I get bothered by, when a Christian comes up to you and says "I will pray for you, let me pray for you." Those types really annoy me. Unless you are going to pray that my will and God's will be aligned don't bother, because whatever "sins" you see in me may all be just in your head. Plus for them to think that their prayers can save you simply because it comes from them, well it feels wrong. Like a slick oil that covers over you.
Despite what you may think of Lensmen he is spot on with what Jesus teaches for people to be Christians and follow him. God speaks to us through the desires of our hearts, through experiences we endure, and through others many you would least expect. He is hardly wrong that Jesus taught compassion, love for all ( not just other Christians), peace, and perseverance.
Picasso is also right. Bible verses are not weapons of attack but tools of teaching. Yes as Christians we are called to aid each other on their path, but that is when the speck and the beam come into play.
One of my major irritants when dealing with other Christians is their tendency to tell others that they are going to Hell. In this area I feel perfectly comfortable telling them they have no place making such statements. Now on the other hand, that is about the only thing I feel comfortable, within my spirit, to address to fellow Christians. It is unfortunate the fellowship turns so accusatory that we cannot glean positive information from one another.
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If someone you do not consider a friend and with whom you have had disagreements said the following to you would you consider it a friendly gesture of getting to know you or would you consider it a racist comment: Sheba I was wondering why you did not have a "western christian" name, and now I know why.
Those of you who know what the "western christian" term means in relation to racism know what this comment means. Maybe the younger crowd doesn't know but this is a racist comment from a so called self-professed Christian who likes to attack others and then play the victim when those they attack stand up for themselves.
This person doesn't even my real name but by some ESP means knows that I don't have a "western christian" name! Wow! -
@ Sheba:
I know you asked Picasso this but I am going to weigh in. I heard something on radio and can't remember it all verbatim but it was to the effect that legislating "hate" is like legislating "thought" by calling hate a crime. There are already laws against crimes like murder and etc. Crimes are usually committed with hate as the motive, not love. Yet we don't legislate the "thought" behind murder as a crime.
Apparently when the bill was being pushed thru congress or the group that was considering it, the argument for other "hate crimes" was put before them, eg. hate crimes against the disabled, pregnant, seniors etc. Those arguments were denied - in fact the only one they would consider were the ones against homosexuals. Now only someone in denial would not agree that the gay rights agenda have one thing only in its sight and that is the systematic destruction of the family.
Ah, I see. So this is really about your right to go on hating gay people is it? Fair enough. Now please explain why you think that you should have a protected right to preach this hate and why those who would oppose you do not have the same rights to preach against you? Or, to put it more simply, if you preach that homosexuality is wrong, which is your right, why can’t they preach that your religion is wrong? Fair is fair—right?
However my main question was more general. This whole thread revolves around the fact that some people do not like other people saying mean things about them but those same people demand the right to say mean things about people they don’t like or approve of.
Assuming that you support those people on this forum’s view that people should not have the right to say things that upset them (I am not saying that you do) then please explain why we should protect the feelings of one group and not another? -
@ Sheba:
If someone you do not consider a friend and with whom you have had disagreements said the following to you would you consider it a friendly gesture of getting to know you or would you consider it a racist comment: Those of you who know what the "western christian" term means in relation to racism know what this comment means. Maybe the younger crowd doesn't know but this is a racist comment from a so called self-professed Christian who likes to attack others and then play the victim when those they attack stand up for themselves.
This person doesn't even my real name but by some ESP means knows that I don't have a "western christian" name! Wow!
Racist comment? “So called self-professed Christians?” “Attack others and then play the victim…?” My my,
So let me get this straight. Racists comments are bad but anti-gay statements are good? I get jumped on for having the audacity to declare some people “faux-Christians” but you feel comfortable calling others “self-professed Christians?” And that last bit, the one about playing the victim after attacking others? That was a joke—right? I mean you could not possibly be serious about trying to play a victim yourself after what you have said—can you? -
@ Samantha A. Torrence:
There is one thing I get bothered by, when a Christian comes up to you and says "I will pray for you, let me pray for you." Those types really annoy me. Unless you are going to pray that my will and God's will be aligned don't bother, because whatever "sins" you see in me may all be just in your head. Plus for them to think that their prayers can save you simply because it comes from them, well it feels wrong. Like a slick oil that covers over you.
Despite what you may think of Lensmen he is spot on with what Jesus teaches for people to be Christians and follow him. God speaks to us through the desires of our hearts, through experiences we endure, and through others many you would least expect. He is hardly wrong that Jesus taught compassion, love for all ( not just other Christians), peace, and perseverance.
Picasso is also right. Bible verses are not weapons of attack but tools of teaching. Yes as Christians we are called to aid each other on their path, but that is when the speck and the beam come into play.
One of my major irritants when dealing with other Christians is their tendency to tell others that they are going to Hell. In this area I feel perfectly comfortable telling them they have no place making such statements. Now on the other hand, that is about the only thing I feel comfortable, within my spirit, to address to fellow Christians. It is unfortunate the fellowship turns so accusatory that we cannot glean positive information from one another.
I agree with you Amaranth, Bible verses should not be weapons—but they should be sign posts to warn someone when they are driving over a cliff. A person who goes about loudly proclaiming their holiness and swinging their religion around them like the jaw bone of an ass for the primary purpose of hurting others needs to have their attention drawb to the fact that their feet have strayed from the path.
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Wow, you sure love to spout off over and over don't you Lensman. Do you feel you are teaching all us "faux" Christians how to be a wonderful person like you? Give me a break.You obviously really enjoy listening to yourself cuz you sure go on and on and on and on.........do you ever have to wake up the students in your "class" at the end of the hour? LOL!
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@ lensman67:
Ah, I see. So this is really about your right to go on hating gay people is it? Fair enough. Now please explain why you think that you should have a protected right to preach this hate and why those who would oppose you do not have the same rights to preach against you? Or, to put it more simply, if you preach that homosexuality is wrong, which is your right, why can’t they preach that your religion is wrong? Fair is fair—right?
However my main question was more general. This whole thread revolves around the fact that some people do not like other people saying mean things about them but those same people demand the right to say mean things about people they don’t like or approve of.
Assuming that you support those people on this forum’s view that people should not have the right to say things that upset them (I am not saying that you do) then please explain why we should protect the feelings of one group and not another?
If I say that sex outside of marriage is wrong then by your definition that is hate speech. That is not hate speech obviously, it is a statement affirming my belief on sexual immorality. Same for homosexuality which is just one form of sexual immorality. So I do not believe that this is as you put it is "a protected right to preach this hate" it is not hate speech. You call it "hate speech" and therefore it must be outlawed and that is your mistake.
With regard to this thread I think the general idea is to protect every one's feelings from being hurt. Nowhere in the post do I see it said that "Christians" are the only ones who are protected here, in fact the general idea seems to be that they are the only ones here who are not protected IMO. -
@ lensman67:
Racist comment? “So called self-professed Christians?” “Attack others and then play the victim…?” My my,
So let me get this straight. Racists comments are bad but anti-gay statements are good? I get jumped on for having the audacity to declare some people “faux-Christians” but you feel comfortable calling others “self-professed Christians?” And that last bit, the one about playing the victim after attacking others? That was a joke—right? I mean you could not possibly be serious about trying to play a victim yourself after what you have said—can you?
Do you know something I don't? You obviously do not know what you're talking about here. -
@ Sheba:
If someone you do not consider a friend and with whom you have had disagreements said the following to you would you consider it a friendly gesture of getting to know you or would you consider it a racist comment: Those of you who know what the "western christian" term means in relation to racism know what this comment means. Maybe the younger crowd doesn't know but this is a racist comment from a so called self-professed Christian who likes to attack others and then play the victim when those they attack stand up for themselves.
This person doesn't even my real name but by some ESP means knows that I don't have a "western christian" name! Wow!
Don't bring this to the public. I am tired of your harassment. If you feel any of the statements I made reflect on you, that is your business not mine. -
@ Samantha A. Torrence:
Don't bring this to the public. I am tired of your harassment. If you feel any of the statements I made reflect on you, that is your business not mine.
I don't see where Sheba mentioned any names here Amaranth. Is she talking about you??
How can she be "harrassing" you if she doesn't identify you as the person she is referring to?
I think you just "outed" yourself - not Sheba. -
@ lensman67:
I agree with you Amaranth, Bible verses should not be weapons—but they should be sign posts to warn someone when they are driving over a cliff. A person who goes about loudly proclaiming their holiness and swinging their religion around them like the jaw bone of an ass for the primary purpose of hurting others needs to have their attention drawb to the fact that their feet have strayed from the path.
If one sets themselves up as examples of a given ideology then they have absolutely no right to complain if someone points out to them how far from the teachings that they profess to honor they have wandered.
This is funny. See, you've been using Bible verses like the jaw bone of an ass for the primary purpose of hurting other believers and you're saying you're here to draw attention to the fact that they have strayed from the path, LOL. So how is your walk going dear Christian boy? And since you have or are trying to set yourself up as the example to follow, does not the scripture say something about speaking the truth in love "with gentleness and respect"?
And does not the Bible teach that when you see a brother (or sister) sinning that you are to go to them PRIVATELY and if they won't listen then you take one or two witness and speak to them again PRIVATELY before bringing them to the congregation for open admonition - the goal always being to "restore" that person to faith? Recognizing the fact that you too are susceptible to sin and fall out of faith? So when did you address me privately? -
@ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop):
I don't see where Sheba mentioned any names here Amaranth. Is she talking about you??
How can she be "harrassing" you if she doesn't identify you as the person she is referring to?
I think you just "outed" yourself - not Sheba.
I thought you were the one who said you wished the vield attacks would quit. That quote was from me from another post. She also misquoted me, conveniently leaving out that I said, "it is good to know more about you." -
@ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop):
I don't see where Sheba mentioned any names here Amaranth. Is she talking about you??
How can she be "harrassing" you if she doesn't identify you as the person she is referring to?
I think you just "outed" yourself - not Sheba.
Thanks Scoops, I did not mention any names. -
@ lensman67:
Here are a few for you and the faux Christians to think about. When you have mastered this list we will talk about the mote in my eye, until then worry about the beam in your own
Agree with thine adversary quickly" Matt. 5:25
Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" Matt.19:17-19
As ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise" Luke 6:31
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away Matt. 5:42
"Give alms of such things as ye have Luke 11:41
When thou makest a dinner..call not thy friends, nor thy brethren…but….call the poor Luke 14:12-13
When thou prayest thou shalt not be as the hypocrites…to be seen of men…enter into thy closet and pray in secret" Matt. 6:5-6
Take my yoke upon you…for I am meek and lowly in heart" Matt. 11:29
Love one another as I have loved you" John 15:12
"Love your enemies" Matt. 5:44; Matt. 26:52
And this one is especially for you:
Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy" Luke 12:1
Lensman says: I agree with you Amaranth, Bible verses should not be weapons—but they should be sign posts to warn someone when they are driving over a cliff. A person who goes about loudly proclaiming their holiness and swinging their religion around them like the jaw bone of an ass for the primary purpose of hurting others needs to have their attention drawb to the fact that their feet have strayed from the path.
Looks like alot of club swinging on your part here Lensman. -
@ Samantha A. Torrence:
I thought you were the one who said you wished the vield attacks would quit. That quote was from me from another post. She also misquoted me, conveniently leaving out that I said, "it is good to know more about you."
I didn't know that.............and since no names were mentioned neither did anyone else. -
@ Samantha A. Torrence:
I thought you were the one who said you wished the vield attacks would quit. That quote was from me from another post. She also misquoted me, conveniently leaving out that I said, "it is good to know more about you."
Speaking of veiled attacks. At the beginning of this thread that is exactly what I called your racist remark. And I left out that last part because that is the "veil" you used to cover the sting of your racist remark. So now you've revealed yourself. So why not just fess up that you are racist, huh? -
Throughout Scripture we find that Jesus does not reprimand the sinner, but instead displays compassion and mercy to those who have chosen the wrong path. And it is this display of God's Love and infinite mercy where many who had fallen into sin are reborn into new lives in Christ our Lord.
With the woman who was caught in adultery did Jesus condemn her though she did do wrong? Or did He with infinite compassion forgive her and instruct her to sin no more? With the woman at the well who had lived with several men, did Jesus harangue her with a list of her sins, or did he gently remind and correct her in how to live a life which was pleasing to God? And upon instructing her to sin no more, also promised her that only in Him would she find the living water that leads to eternal life.
We can see in these two examples that Jesus does not destroy the repentant sinner who listens and obeys Him. For Jesus knows that men are weak and human nature is always susceptible to our spiritual foe, which is Satan.
So tell me Lensman, are you supposed to be an example of a "true" Christian, as opposed to us "faux" Christians? Or, in actuality, are you not the first one to harangue us with a list of our sins?
You carry a mighty big club Lensman, and you really enjoy beating us "faux" Christians with it. Let's be honest here.
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What Jesus does despise are those who profess themselves greater than any other, yet they hide their evil deeds in the dark, as they take on airs of a feigned 'holiness', which is used to hide their deceit.
These who feign 'holiness', are the one's who are very quick to point out the faults and failings of others with great relish and glee, yet with loud voices proclaim themselves the Greatest Christians. And with much finger pointing they continually bring forth the transgressions of those they have accused. Yet who is the great accuser? Why Satan of course!
Yet these very people, who are so willing to find fault in others, fail to recognise their own. These same people also live outside lives of false piety as they attend Church each Sunday and yet on the remaining days of the week they plot and plan the demise of those they have judged unworthy of Gods forgiveness. This leads to the question, when did God abdicate His Sovereign Power in favour of the 'accusers'?
For as Christ warned those who think themselves greater and able to accuse another, yet their own lives are masked in concupiscence and inner corruptness. Jesus warns such as these, "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead man's bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness."
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For it is Satan himself who is the great accuser and who uses 'his children' as the finger pointers, who sit in judgement of all they deem unworthy, but find no errors in themselves!
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@ Sheba:
Speaking of veiled attacks. At the beginning of this thread that is exactly what I called your racist remark. And I left out that last part because that is the "veil" you used to cover the sting of your racist remark. So now you've revealed yourself. So why not just fess up that you are racist, huh?
You know at this point I can press charges for defimation of character. Since congress passed that bill that made everyone a journalist you are now accountable for any liable. I am not the type of person to take people to court, but other people might not be so nice.
Sheba, you handle is that of a Hindu Goddess. I assumed since you were a Christian that you would not give glory to her by chosing her as your handle so I thought it was your name. After you discussed your Indian origin and that your mother had the Hindu texts I thought my deduction made more sense. I also was trying to show a friendly gesture. You obviously have a problem with me. That is fine. I will not try to be friendly or resolve our problems anymore, you have made it quite clear that is not your wish. -
I think it would be best to stop this conversation before any more confusion takes place. Quite often it seems as though context and tone of voice is lost in a comment thread and thus users walk away with the impression that derogatory or racist remarks have been made when (IMO) none were made.
If you simply cannot get along with another user, just avoid them. Getting into a thick argument with someone whom you cannot agree or someone you believe has a vendetta against you is pointless. If they make a comment on one of your articles, don't reply. It's that simple to just stay away from others.
Forget the past. This rule is for the future. I think we would all be better off if we dropped the he-says, she-says, he did this, she did that.
Progress can never be made if you let the past boil over into the future.
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@ Samantha A. Torrence:
You know at this point I can press charges for defimation of character. Since congress passed that bill that made everyone a journalist you are now accountable for any liable. I am not the type of person to take people to court, but other people might not be so nice.
Sheba, you handle is that of a Hindu Goddess. I assumed since you were a Christian that you would not give glory to her by chosing her as your handle so I thought it was your name. After you discussed your Indian origin and that your mother had the Hindu texts I thought my deduction made more sense. I also was trying to show a friendly gesture. You obviously have a problem with me. That is fine. I will not try to be friendly or resolve our problems anymore, you have made it quite clear that is not your wish.
My handle is that of a Hindu Goddess? You've lost me there. Care to clarify that?
This is getting weirder by the second. Go ahead and press charges please. -
When I hear the name Sheba I always think of the movie "come back little Sheba" - it was a dogs name I think. LOL.....Sheba, are you really a dog? ROFL!!
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And Amaranth - isn't that a grain? Are you a some sort of grain? Or a seed? hmmm..........what am I?
A Poop Scoop-er! ROFL!!!!!!
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@ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop):
And Amaranth - isn't that a grain? Are you a some sort of grain? Or a seed? hmmm..........what am I?
A Poop Scoop-er! ROFL!!!!!!
Please scoop you aren't THAT smelly. *wink* I like your name though, very fitting for the DJ community. I think I remember you discussing why you chose it in another thread.
Amaranth is a flower that is a symbol if immortality, it can be ground into a grain that has many health benefits if made into a bread. I am very interested in hollistics and the natural wonders God has given us to keep us healthy. -
@ Sheba:
If I say that sex outside of marriage is wrong then by your definition that is hate speech. That is not hate speech obviously, it is a statement affirming my belief on sexual immorality. Same for homosexuality which is just one form of sexual immorality. So I do not believe that this is as you put it is "a protected right to preach this hate" it is not hate speech. You call it "hate speech" and therefore it must be outlawed and that is your mistake.
With regard to this thread I think the general idea is to protect every one's feelings from being hurt. Nowhere in the post do I see it said that "Christians" are the only ones who are protected here, in fact the general idea seems to be that they are the only ones here who are not protected IMO.
@ Sheba:
If I say that sex outside of marriage is wrong then by your definition that is hate speech. That is not hate speech obviously, it is a statement affirming my belief on sexual immorality. Same for homosexuality which is just one form of sexual immorality. So I do not believe that this is as you put it is "a protected right to preach this hate" it is not hate speech. You call it "hate speech" and therefore it must be outlawed and that is your mistake.
With regard to this thread I think the general idea is to protect every one's feelings from being hurt. Nowhere in the post do I see it said that "Christians" are the only ones who are protected here, in fact the general idea seems to be that they are the only ones here who are not protected IMO.
O.K. let’s try again. If you say that you think homosexuality is immoral and someone else says that they think Christianity is immoral how do the two statements differ? Also if the general idea is to protect EVERY ONE’S feelings then why, in your opinion, don’t gay people deserve the same protections for their feelings as you seem to think you deserve for yours? If you feel the right to condemn one group of people why shouldn’t someone else condemn you? -
@ Sheba:
Do you know something I don't? You obviously do not know what you're talking about here.
Then please educate me! What am I missing? -
@ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop):
I don't see where Sheba mentioned any names here Amaranth. Is she talking about you??
How can she be "harrassing" you if she doesn't identify you as the person she is referring to?
I think you just "outed" yourself - not Sheba.
That is interesting. You claim that you can tell when people are talking about you but you don't think that Amaranth can do the same? -
Please scoop you aren't THAT smelly. *wink* I like your name though, very fitting for the DJ community. I think I remember you discussing why you chose it in another thread.
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@ Sheba:
This is funny. See, you've been using Bible verses like the jaw bone of an ass for the primary purpose of hurting other believers and you're saying you're here to draw attention to the fact that they have strayed from the path, LOL. So how is your walk going dear Christian boy? And since you have or are trying to set yourself up as the example to follow, does not the scripture say something about speaking the truth in love "with gentleness and respect"?
And does not the Bible teach that when you see a brother (or sister) sinning that you are to go to them PRIVATELY and if they won't listen then you take one or two witness and speak to them again PRIVATELY before bringing them to the congregation for open admonition - the goal always being to "restore" that person to faith? Recognizing the fact that you too are susceptible to sin and fall out of faith? So when did you address me privately?
Let's see you complained “So called self-professed Christians?” and yet you deny the right of others to do the same? What makes you an expert on who is and who is not a Christian and what do you think makes me any less of an expert than you?
By the way who told you that I was a Christian? I have never made such a claim. Then again I have never claimed that I am not. Are you perhaps jumping to conclusions? Frankly I don't think that one person's religion is anyone else’s business which is why Jesus counseled his followers to “keep it in the closet” as some people say today.
You will note that I only use Christian scriptures to point out to self professed Christians where they are falling short of the mark. If they were followers of a different religion then those verses would be meaningless in such a conversation. I seek to hold people to their own morality while you seek to impose your morality on others—that is the difference. -
@ lensman67:
That is interesting. You claim that you can tell when people are talking about you but you don't think that Amaranth can do the same?
I thought the whole point here is to not address anyone by name - and since Sheba hadn't addressed her comment to anyone in particular then it was not apparent to the reader whom she was referring to.
That's the argument you usually use isn't it Lensman? Or am I confusing you with someone else. If so, I apologize. -
@ lensman67:
Let's see you complained “So called self-professed Christians?” and yet you deny the right of others to do the same? What makes you an expert on who is and who is not a Christian and what do you think makes me any less of an expert than you?
By the way who told you that I was a Christian? I have never made such a claim. Then again I have never claimed that I am not. Are you perhaps jumping to conclusions? Frankly I don't think that one person's religion is anyone else’s business which is why Jesus counseled his followers to “keep it in the closet” as some people say today. You will note that I only use Christian scriptures to point out to self professed Christians where they are falling short of the mark. If they were followers of a different religion then those verses would be meaningless in such a conversation. I seek to hold people to their own morality while you seek to impose your morality on others—that is the difference.
Excuse me, but where does Jesus tell his followers to "keep it in the closet"?? -
@ Pamela Jean (GotTheScoop):
Looks like alot of club swinging on your part here Lensman.
The proper application of the jaw bone of an ass is to slay Philistines, which is what I use scripture for. I d |
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